Hate Breeds Hate with the arrival of Tom Shelly

On the DH forum, a new poster named Tom Shelly said that hipsters are bad, but African-Americans are even worse.  At first I thought this was another post from a hipser in disguise to show the connection between hating hipsters and hating anyone else, but then I went to his webpage.  This guy is a certified rascist – 100% legit.  Sad to see the connection really there – but not surprising.

Even the so-called “comical” hatred of the hipster still is a form of hatred – something to be taken seriously.  It’s obviously okay to hate on a group of people – everyone should be able to do that.  But nothing is innocent – everything moves towards something more serious.  And Tom Shelly is a serious racist and a bad force in the anonymous internet world.

With anonymity there really should be some form of moderation.  Without it, anger spirals more and more into the world.  Someone gets mad on Diehipster, they stay mad for the day and they affect others. The bad spirits linger.  That’s why so many other sites have features to minimize all this.  Is that censorship?  Freedom of Speech does not protect slander.

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12 Responses to Hate Breeds Hate with the arrival of Tom Shelly

  1. Lee Jones says:

    Ed, I’m a bit surprised at the one-sidedness of this post.

    Tom Shelly is a racist. Racists are scum. But don’t turn that into a tool to try and prove the mentalities of other DH posters.

    Just read this reply from your favorite regular: I Killed Josh

    “Actually Jack, this guy is a real racist. Click on his link. Or search Tom Shelly on google. Tom, why do you think it’s okay to be posting on this site? Did it ever occur to you that not all of us are white rascists like yourself?”

    So much for trying to imply that DH is a hotbed for suppressed racism…

  2. M says:

    Sorry, Lee.

    Diehipster breeds this stuff. It’s a hateful place. The people that post there are hateful people. And racists, unsurprisingly, are among the company they keep.

    When you hate people, proclaim doing so, and advocate violence against those people… yeah, it’s not a big jump to racism.

    Think about it — die hipster. You think it’s cute to proclaim the death of people you don’t like the look of? How is that not a form of racism?

    • Lee Jones says:

      “Think about it — die hipster. You think it’s cute to proclaim the death of people you don’t like the look of? How is that not a form of racism?”

      Because hipsters are a social construct. You’re not born “hipster.” There’s no “hipster genome” or “hipster chromosome.” It’s not a nationality, an ethnicity or a culture. It’s a choice.

      That’s very different from being born a certain race or gender. Or being from a certain heritage or nationality. That’s something which is inherent to you, whether you like it or not. Prejudice against someone because of some trait or fact about themselves that cannot be changed is racism. Hating someone because of their religious beliefs is racism.

      I’m repeating myself here, but by placing hipster hating on the same level as racism which has led to mass murders and segregation is doing nothing more than making a mockery of all the millions of people who have suffered real racism.

      • What if I said I want to kill yuppies? Is that okay? Or how about beatniks or rappers? Of course that’s wrong. Because a hipster is a person. It’s not mocking racism or classicism – hate really is hate. And hipsters are people. Say you hated the Teletubbies – then that’s stupid – cause Teletubbies ain’t real.

    • tcaster says:

      You sir, are a damned fool.

  3. LietuvosRytas says:

    Hmm, 20 to 1 it was you or Steve Lam who pretended to be that racist guy.

  4. Lee Jones says:

    “What if I said I want to kill yuppies? Is that okay? Or how about beatniks or rappers? Of course that’s wrong. Because a hipster is a person. It’s not mocking racism or classicism – hate really is hate. And hipsters are people.”

    Saying “I want to kill ___” is different from “I hate ____ and I’d like them to die.”
    Once someone expresses genuine interest committing violent acts, they do become a threat. I’m not gonna pretend some DH posters haven’t made threats, and those posters are scum. Doesn’t matter who the target is.
    Physically harming someone is never OK unless it’s in self defense.

    But I don’t think we’re arguing that. We’re still assessing whether or not hipster hating is a form of racism. Maybe classism, ageism, or some other “ism” but not racism.
    Hipsters aren’t being deprived of any civil rights or liberties, nor are they discriminated against, unless you call t-shirts reading “die hipster scum” a form of discrimination.
    If you’re trying to argue racism, show me exactly who’s been the victim of this racism. Name a hipster who’s been victimized for being a hipster (as opposed to being victimized simply for being a young, white, clearly well-off individual).
    I don’t see reports of hipster art galleries being burned or hipsters having to sit in the back of the bus.
    If you’re alarmed by what you perceive as “racism,” show me the racists in action. All I see are a bunch of angry people playing out immature revenge fantasies on the internet. Hardly a threat.

    • M says:

      No, it’s not different.

      You hate someone and wish death upon them because of how they look. Whether that persons chooses to put on a fedora or not, you’re judging them based on their appearance.

      I’m not arguing you’re a racist. But you’re not far off.

  5. Lee Jones says:

    I must give credit to “Agent Beardo Breaker” for these great racist jokes. I hope they don’t offend anybody 😉

    Q:What’s the difference between a hipster and a U.S. Treasury Bond?
    A:The Bond eventually matures and starts earning money.

    Little Bobby tells his dad that when he grows up he wants to be a hipster.
    His father tells him “no son, you can’t be both”.

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